I took a little bit of time this evening to get the bases covered in Geek Gaming Base ready stuff… and because I am a total pillock I forgot to get some brown paint onto the white tops. Needless to say, if any of the flock drops off then the white will stick out like a diamond in a sweeps ear hole.
But anyway here are the six of them… there are bits of white visible, but I will add a bit more flock or tufts over the top before I get them sealed down…
I also got something today that I had forgotten that I ordered…
Not the world’s best photo, but it was purchased to support Ukrainian charities. I love Jon’s artwork and was a bit chuffed to get a signed one, okay it is not an original piece of artwork, but I reckon the statement at the bottom pretty much sums up what is going onnjn Ukraine.
Oh and according to my wife and daughter I am being a bit of a fan girl about getting this 🤣.
Today I got both remaining Ogre Doppelsoldners finished. Tomorrow I will base them all up… but here are the last three done.
As you can see, I went for bronze armour for the last of them. So that is all of them done. One in Speedpaints and the rest in Contrast. The straps on the best plates were a sod to do carefully so a bit of re-undercoating took place. Luckily it was Contrast so there was no issue.
Interestingly Dana Howl has done a video comparing both ranges and in this she says that Army painters are not for beginners which is interesting in itself. Dana’s video . Are we going to see lots more people doing something similar now. I have noticed a few YouTube channels that are mentioning problems more openly.
Dana did say that the longer drying time of the Speedpaints allowed for good blending among other things.
Well yesterday I threw some enamel matt white over four of the slugs I had repainted. The colours I chose were still bleeding through after four layers of white acrylic.
I gave them a blast with the hairdryer then shoved them in the porch to cure for about eighteen hours.
I got the pallid bone colour to go over the four with the oil based paint. Here are the results…
They are pretty much all the same colour apart from the green one.
So what do I think in general.
If you use enamels then you can cover over errors or overpainting on your miniatures. This does take a long time to cure and as such makes a mockery of the term Speedpaints.
They are nice colours, but due to their low viscosity they can bleed into other areas. This can cause problems further down the line. Now I may not have shaken them enough, but I don’t think so.
The reactivation is a total pain. Although, thanks to John, I can recover from a mess up, it just won’t be fast any more… leading to Slowpaints.., yeah I can just not mess up, but with the best will in the world, some paint will end up where it shouldn’t.
Price is a positive. They are cheaper than Contrast paint, plus you cannot spill them everywhere whilst in a dropper bottle.
One thing I have heard, but haven’t tried is don’t use them on a wet palette.
I would like to think that I have given these paints an honest and more importantly, a fair review . It was never my intention to stop anyone buying these, I am no fan boy of any one company. At the minute you can only buy the starter set and not individual bottles. This means you have to drop £34 on a set of paints that might not to be your liking, or at very least aren’t like you expected them to be. It wouldn’t be so bad if one could pick up an individual bottle to try out. I did reach out to AP to ask to buy a couple of bottles, but they weren’t able to help me out. My little blog was in no way big enough to warrant the expenditure of time and effort… I say this with absolutely no malice at all. It is a statement of fact.
Hopefully my little journey with the Speedpaints has been useful , or at least entertaining.
So a while ago I posed the question … Contrast or Speedpaints… we’ll I have come to a decision… I am going to be sticking with my Contrast paint that have done me well for two years at least. I know they Cost more, but they do what I want of them and I can get them locally.
Sorry Army Painter, your Speedpaints, like your metallics are destined to sit on the shelf.
Well, not being one to ignore advice, ot is that a challenge, I went and bought myself a little pot of Humbrol matt white enamel. John had suggested it so off I went into town and bought some.
I repainted my slugs… as you can clearly see with the front two I had a bit of a brain fart as the grey became green and the green, yellow…nothing a sharpie couldn’t sort out.
At this point I would like to say that the last time I used enamels was in about 1990! So anyway, after a bloody good shake followed by a bloody good stir and another shake I shoved it over the coloured slugs…
Hmmmm … now to be fair, I used the hairdryer on these to dry them off a bit quicker, as would befit the term Speedpaints. This may have blown the paint off the top, but I don’t think so.
They are now sitting in the porch to be smelly on their own.
Tomorrow I will see if the Speedpaints goes back over the top of them. Once again waiting 24 hours, does not seem very speedpainty to me.
The daft thing about continuous testing is that I can already re-undercoat Contrast paint. I can walk into a shop and buy Contrast Paint on Shetland. Seems to me the only advantage that Speedpaints have is that they are cheaper…
I am not even sure why I am carrying on faffing about with something. Perhaps it is because I just spent £34.00 on a box of them. Tomorrow I think I will give up the ghost, I am spending my time trying to make them work the way I want when clearly they won’t. After Tomorrow I go back to painting stuff that I can use.
They may get used, or may, like most of my AP paints, end up in a box in the shed.
This evening I blasted the miniatures with the hair dryer, I actually made my lip uncomfortable when I tested how warm they were… so after 10 minutes I went for a white overcoat. Now I normally shove the white paint straight out of the pot but1 this time I decided to go for the two thin coats…yeah that was going to work…
So I went a bit thicker on them after this….
Before and after
So as I said yesterday, my aim was to see how far the Speedpaints would bleed through more and more layers so here are my results….
So as you can see from the above, I went through four layers of white paint… in between each layer I blasted it with the hairdryer and then left it for 10 minutes or so to let it cool.
I used the same brush each time and went up one side and back down the other. I washed the brush between each slug and dried it on a paper towel… in other words I tried to keep everything the same.
So I think the photos tell the story pretty much as it is, the blue, grey and purple pretty much were okay to do a different colour over the top after layer three. The orange, green, red and yellow are still a definite colour there.. flesh colour, I am not sure about. I reckon the ones above might be repaintable after a 5th layer of white, but repaintable I mean a lighter colour, obviously red would probably go over the yellow after the third or fourth layer, but definitely not the other way around.
If you were wondering about the letters, I thought it prudent to add them in case the colours covered over and I wouldn’t know which was which. I don’t think I needed to worry.
So with this test there is a caveat I would like to add. I have been using this white for a good old while and as such have used some medium in it to keep it useable.This however is the same white that I have used on most of my painting over at least the last year… so perhaps it is not an issue for this test.
Where can I go next with this, I am not sure. I suppose I could brush some varnish over something and see what happens, this would be to simulate an error being made, but in all honesty I would imagine a similar thing happening to the above.
Unless anyone can think of anything else to try then I am running out of ideas here. The one thing I will try is to paint something one colour then spray varnish it and see what happens. Obviously yellow won’t be able to go over red or blue, but if I out white over the varnish then that will give me an answer there at the very least
I really, wanted these to work, I bought them in good faith and sadly they seem to be letting me down. Maybe I got a duff batch, but let’s be honest here, it is unlikely.
Well this evening I didn’t really have much time as my wife has headed off to Germany on a work trip so I am home alone dad…therefore chips for tea… to be honest we share the cooking so I just had a mooch at what we had that everyone would eat. They aren’t fussy as such but withn one being gluten intolerant it makes a difference. I did run up a mince sauce to go with pasta or to make into chili too…
Anyway slugs… I was wanting something to paint with speedpaints, hairdryer and then repaint with a brush on overcoat to see which ones reactivate and which dont. Identical things make the test a bit fairer… sadly I have eight slugs and ten paints so the bone and hardened leather had to be missed out of the test. I was a bit miffed that my two packets of free slugs wasn’t enough…I shall demand larger packets of free stuff next time 😉😏😉
So there they are in their multicoloured glory…
I am going to leave them until tomorrow evening to dry naturally then hit them with a hairdryer to make sure there is no wet paint left.
I will then have a bit better idea of which of them reactivates and which don’t. If anyone else can think of anything I can do then please do give me a shout.
You know I actually haven’t a clue anymore… I did my mini review yesterday and err some of the paint ran and some more reactivated, but funnily enough not the one that I was expecting to. Anyway here are the two ogres side by side, not a brilliant comparison as I went for different colours as there are only six in the unit, two of them in identical clothing would look weird. I have three units of pikes so can hide similar ones in the masses…
I think what I am going to do next is try to paint some bits and pieces with the Speedpaints and then see which ones actually reactivate, as I said the blue didn’t, but the bone and yellow did.
Both are doing their job, but one needs a bit more care than the other. One is more expensive than the other, and one reactivates… sometimes…. arggggghhh.
I now think I know why all the reviews were positive… no one wanted to go through what I am going through 😀
This evening I am technically, what the Germans call, Kerfucktenbuggered. I did however manage to splash some paint on another Ogre.
This one is being done with Speedpaints… so although I was trying to be really super careful, I did do a couple of errors and once again had the paint bleed up and along the cloth lines. To be fair it was the yellow that did this. So to ease things a bit I clashed a dark green over the next panels across and this hid the yellow…
Now if you look at the photo above the bow on the left leg has been covered in blue, with a couple of dots on the right. The yellow bleed onto the armour is visible. As a quick test I mixed the yellow and green together and made the light green on the tunic and sleeve. What is not visible is the bone colour between the legs, this got onto the garter too.
So Oli over on Roger’s Rantingsfromunder asked if I had tried giving the paint a blast with hairdryer… so this evening I did.
I wasn’t sure for how long, but it did cause severe heat in my fingers, just as I went to turn the dryer off the model shot across the table and onto the floor. Leading to a snapped halberd head… hence the greenstuff dish on the model.
Anyway the results after 30 minutes are as follows…
No bleed on the blue, there are some funny looking bits but these could be down to sloppy brushwork or I missed a bit on the second coat of white… but definite bleed on the yellow, green and bone colour. So once again I am sitting on the fence. I will see what happens tomorrow evening.
This evening my plan was to paint a couple of things. One in Contrast and One in Speedpaints. I managed to get the Contrast mini nearly done…
Please note although I mentioned Italian Wars in the title, I still haven’t found any literary mention of ogre Doppelsoldners, nor any visual evidence either. He is therefore unlikely to have taken part.
He took a lot longer than I expected, but I am quite pleased with how he looks so far.
He is one of six I printed last year…
I will do one in Speedpaints tomorrow evening, well that is the plan anyway.
Funnily enough after saying it was weird that nobody had mentioned the reactivation of the Speedpaints, I am beginning to notice it appearing more. Part of me wonders that these are the People who bought their own?
So this is day four of playing with both Contrast and Speedpaints. Today I set about painting the two 28mm pikemen. I chose similar colours from each range. I have to admit I did cock up with the black on the shoes and garters. I got a bit carried away with the Contrast paint and did both before I realised.
So here are the two of them from all four sides.
Interestingly one of the paints ran vertically up the slashes in the sleeves. This led to a colour shift with the blue. This isn’t really an issue with these as I wanted contrasting colours. if I hadn’t then I would have been a bit miffed.
One of them is displaying the coffee staining as described in the article shared earlier today.
I will leave it to you all to work out which is which😉
The question I am left with is of the hundreds of YouTubers that received a free set of Speedpaints, then why is it only a very small minority that have mentioned the reactivation. I know of one… that is not to say there aren’t others out there. The cynical side of me thinks that Kicking GW will get more views than saying something more measured. The Headline…
I have Binned my Contrast for Speedpaints
Will probably get more views than
Contrast or Speedpaints… you decide.
GW and AP fanboys will arrive to stick up for their respective company thus doubling the amount of hits.
I will have to play further with these, but I wanted to paint the dagger sheath green. I wasted a fair old bit from the bottle.
I will paint another couple of comparison miniatures, maybe something with a lot of armour to see what happen when metallic paint goes over them both. I know what happens with the Contrast Paint but not really with the Speedpaints.
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